We have been told about the quality of RVskin. I am wondering about possibility of partnerships between our respective companies and provide our respective softwares bundled to hosting companies to counter-attack the offer Fantastico/Soholaunch.

We are also looking for opinions about our site builder from Hosting companies as well. We released it a month ago with a unique drag and drop technology.

It is compatible with Internet Explorer, Firefox browser (so works on Windows, Mac and Linux). It has advanced features as for instance a database creation / management (forms creation, shopping cart, etc,...).

The address of the demo is http://www.dragdropsitecreator.com/demopage.php
You can also try the full software on www.sqlf.com/login.php with username "iwdn" and password "12345"


I am eager to get any feedback, positive and negative on it.

I have checked your demo. The first question is how can user change the template?

There are two ways to change the templates.

First in the original selection. When you login for the first time (on www.sqlf.com/login.php when for the software is on our server, under your URL when the software is on your server), the following page is the gallery of templates. You can select any of them. If you are not happy with your selection you can have your hosting company cancelling your account and open you a new one (a way to make sure for the hosting co that there is no abuse).

A second way is to remove the template from the "software update" section and add a new one. A template is a php package. Anybody can create custom templates and make it available to their customers. Some templates to download are available on www.paspagebuilder.com/packages.php The site is currently in maintenance, but it will be finished in mid-february. Until then I can send the packages to add in the "software update" section (forum, livechat, templates, etc,...) to whoever wants to test drive them.

I hope it answered appropriately your question. If you want to test the template selection in dragdropsitecreator , I can create a new test account for you to test it.

Sorry, but I still not able to reach your gallery. I went to www.sqlf.com/login.php with username "iwdn" and password "12345". After logged in, it show the flash tutorial, no gallery.

Normal... it is because I need to create a new account specifically for you.

I just did. I only hope that you are the only one to see this posting, otherwise someone else is going to use this account before you do. If ever when you login you can't see the gallery, let's try to find a way to have me send you the username and password to you in private and test it this way.

Can you go on www.sqlf.com/login.php with

Username; "pairote"
Password; "pairote"

The second page will be a template selection page. When you click on "page builder" later on, you access the software (use the same username and password) with the template you have selected. Hope it works this way. If it doesn't send me an e-mail at michael [at] sqlfusion.com

Eager to get further feedback!

1. How well does your software work with cpanel?

2. How integrated is your software with cpanel? (If i create a user in cpanel, does your software get setup for their account automatically.. or i need to manually add the software for each account?

3. How much does each user license cost? All i have was the $50 purchase price...no information on what it included.

4. Do the 70 templates come with my purchase, or do i need to purchase each template individually? If the templates come with the purchase, what would be the price range of new/updated templates you develop?

5. What is the administration like for the server administrator? I read that i can enable disable features, but is that per user, serverwide, or can I create packages with different features and assign that to a cpanel hosting package?

6. Has your product been tested on Red Had Entreprise linux?

7. What is the minimum server specs to use the software?

8. How resource hungry is your script? If I have 100 clients using the software at the same time, how much of an impact would that have on the server cpu and memory wise?

9. How much diskspace does your software consume?

10. Does it run off of any special ports?

11. How secure would you say your software is?(Both the software and the page code created when a user creates a website)

12. What will the development/upgrade procedures be like? (Ie: changelog to view development, community to request enhancements/support, free/paid updates to new versions, etc)

I look forward to your reply.

Off topic:

No offense, but i think you would do more business and appeal more to corporate companies if your website was designed alittle differently.

Yeah, it said you was selling a product, and gave a brief description of what it does... but I couldn't find no other important information such as the questions I've asked above. You need more support documentation and content. Also the layout and colors strain the eyes alittle.

Lot's of questions Thank you very much damainman.

For the website, I have made it on my own about two months ago. I have no previous tech experience (I have a MBA) and it is my first website, so please accept my apologies for the problems you encounter with it. For the colors it is simply that I have bad taste :-). Which colors do you think would appeal more to the eye? For the content I can improve it obviously. I will add more information related to your questions and other feedbacks.

Here are the answers;

1. and 2. For now we haven't yet integrated the software to C-panel. That's why we hope to team with RV-skin to get it installed/integrated with C-Panel. The control panel of our software is working fine on its own for the time being, but we are aware that to get it integrated to C-panel would be a big plus.

3. For the pricing here is the list. It is a long one, so I apologize for the length of it;

A. For the online reseller version;

You have access to the control panel, logging on www.dragdropsitecreator.com. You create user accounts and enter for them the publishing database and FTP parameters on your servers. The users click on "publish" to get their website automatically published on your servers.

* For the "beginner" version; $3/month/user (minimum 5 users)

Equivalent to existing site builders, CMS, template generators but with a unique drag and drop technology.

* For the the "advanced" AND "beginner" versions;$9/month/user (minimum 5 users)

The user can select one or the other version anytime. She can build completely custom websites, build shopping carts, use php scripts without coding knowledge to build am e-commerce, a forum, a live chat, an intranet, etc. There is no equivalent on the site builder market today. You can build easily a database driven website without any technical knowledge and without being limited in anyway to a template you choose. It is a tool used to build www.sheabutter.org or www.jon-linfoods.com for instance.

B. For the install version; One time fee.

* For the "beginner" version only;

o 100 users; 99$
o 300 users; 289$
o 500 users; 469$
o 1000 users; 899$
o 5000 users; 3999$

* For the "advanced"AND "beginner" versions;

o 50 users: $750
o 100 users: $1200
o 250 users: $2750
o 500 users: $5000
o 2000 users: $16000
o 5000 users: $30000

For the "advanced"AND "beginner" version there is the possibility of a lease starting at 50$ per month for 50 users (i.e $1 per user per month) instead of a one time fee. .

Upgrades;

You will have access to all the upgrades for free with the online version. There is on going development of the software and several upgrades are planned for the coming months.

With the install version, the upgrades are free for one year and at discount price the following years. Most of the PHP packages you install in the "software update" section of the full software (which allows to create a Forum, Live chat, forms, online calendar, etc,...) are free as well.



4. The 70 templates come with the purchase. You can build your own template for the software. You can also ask us for custom templates. The price range for a custom template would be between 100$ and 200$ depending on its complexity (shopping cart, number of page preformated, etc). We will probably release new sets of templates with new versions of the software. They will be included along with the software upgrade.

5. You can create packages with your own features. The packages (php scripts are installed in the "software update" section that you can see if you go to www.sqlf.com/login.php with username "iwdn" and password "12345"). You can add or remove packages you make available to your customers. For now it needs to be done manually. To automatize it will depend of possible C-panel integration. That's where we need RV-skin help.

6. Yes. It runs on Red Hat enterprise Linux

7. We don't know the minimum specs, but it is very low resource intensive. For sure it will work with a Pentium 1ghz with 256 mb of memory. Would be happy to have people testing it on smaller servers (got it running on my PC Win 98 with a Celeron 466mhz and 192mb).

8. Well it will depend on your server CPU and RAM size. As I said earlier, it is very low resource intensive. It runs mainly Apache processes.

9. 30 Mb

10. No security flaw has been found so far. For users, it depends on how complex is their application. In short it is as secure as php is.

12. There is Forums for community request and support http://www.paspagebuilder.com/forums/
There is changelogs for version and each package. The upgrades will be both free and paid. The details on what is free and what is to be paid is under the answer to 3. - at the very end of the answer.


There was a lot of questions, reason of this long answer. I hope I have been precise enough with all those answers. I will try to have all of it included soon in the website.


Ready for more feedback and question. Pairote, have you been able to check the template selection?

Thank you for your response. I have the some other questions.


1. For the install version, it's a one time fee for the user licenses correct? So i would only be paying $99 for 100 users license one time.

2. What would be the procedure if I ordered this plan: 100 users; 99$, and wanted to upgrade those 100 users to this plan 50 users: $750? Basically if I have user licenses for begginer version.. how would i go about upgrading those to include the advance version as well?

3. Are the user licenses able to be transfered to another user? For example if i use a license on 1 user, and they cancel.. can i just go ahead and use that license on another user.. or do i need to purchase a whole new license?

4. What is the discount upgrade fee which is charged after the initial year?

5. What port is used to use the software?

6. You have no idea on the minimum server specs? How would I know if i have the right software/modules installed on my server to run it?


As for what you asked on your site:

- Your first page looks good, and readable, it just your other pages that strain the eye alittle. However towards the bottom of your first page, u have white text over a grey background...you need to make the text darker.
- I would suggest losing the green, or using a different shade of the green.
- I would also suggest changing the blue text to something like black, or a darker color so it's easier to read.

I really do hope you find a way to integrate this with cpanel, as I would be interested in using it on my servers.


Offtopic:

Can you explain the different between your pagebuilder, and sitemanager products?

I know for the Cpanel integration that's an issue... that's why we need RVskin help on this. If you can tell them about it that would be nice.

Thank you very much also for the advices on the website. I will try to make the changes tomorrow following your feedback.

Here are the answers;

1. It is a one time fee indeed for the install version, so you are correct it is one time 99$ for 100 users and so on.

2. In case you choose to upgrade from "beginner" to 'beginner" AND "advanced" you would just pay the difference between the cost for "beginner" you have already paid for and the price for the number of users you want to shift to "beginner" AND "advanced".

3. Absolutely. It is active users. So if someone cancel her account, the licence for this user is not counted anymore. The best way to understand the user licencing system is to consider that for a 100 users licence, not more than 100 customers can use the software at the same time.

4. Since this it is the first year we sell the software, I admit that we haven't given much thought about it yet. We will probably do the way other software companies do; something like a 40% discount from regular price. Do you think it is fair?

5. There is no specific port. However you need a dedicated IP.

6. You won't run into hardware limitations. But you need to install those following software - Apache, PHP 4, mysql, zend optimizer and have a dedicated IP address - to install Drag drop sitecreator. Sites can be published on any of your servers. I doesn't need to be on the server where the software is installed. There is no limitation in the number of different servers where the sites can be published either.



Answer to Offtopic question; The difference between pas pagebuilder and pas sitemanager. It is a conceptual difference, but it is one and only software.

In short (the shortest I can make it);

- The Site manager is the platform on which the software runs and the packages are installed (the page you see right after you login in www.sqlf.com/login.php). For advanced user a Content Admin, an online database creation tool, a Filemanager for instance can be added in the Sitemanager besides the Pagebuilder (they will appear besides the "pagebuilder", "publish" tags at the top when available - and they are installed as simple new packages). They all work together to help you build complex and powerful web applications from a simple browser. Once again, that's when you want to go way further than just use a simple online sitebuilder (It becomes a substitute for Dreamweaver and other advanced web authoring tools).
With the Sitemanager in its original version (no packages added yet) you can publish your site in a click, add new packages (which will integrate to the pagebuilder interface) in the software update section, check the help (we are in the process of adding an index of flash tutorial all accessible from the Help section) and access the pagebuilder (with which you create webpages).

- The Pagebuilder is the tool you enter in the demo on dragdropsitecreator.com/demopage.php It is an online web authoring tool, accessible to new user in its beginner version and powerful enough to become a web professional tool (with content admin, integration of databases, etc) in its advanced version.


I don't know how much the lack of integration to C panel is a problem for you. I can show you how the Control panel of the software works, for you to see if it is possible to offer the software outside of the C panel interface you have until we find a solution. We could maybe even write a script to help you go around this issue.

If you're interested you can drop me an e-mail at info@dragdropsitecreator.com I will be happy to work with you on it.

All users must on a single server or I can use it as much as servers I need.


You mention that the dedicated IP is required. Please describe it in the detial. All cPanel servers has a main dedicated IP and a couple of IPs in a single server. A hundreads of domains share a single IP, which may or may not be the same as main server IP. Do your software support this kind of usage?

To run it you need to have one IP dedicated for the dragdrop sitecreator.
That IP is used to create sub domain using the bulk hosting features of Apache.
(userproject.yoursitecratordomainname.com)

Today the software is not integrated with CPanel so you need to insert for each user (name, username, password, mysql database information and ftp information).
This can be done manualy in the resseler control panel or if you have that in a database or text file it can be imported in a batch.

Yes you can use only one server to create the site and have them publish it in multiple servers.

We would love to have it integrated or connected to CPanel, but we dont have the ressources right now to learn how CPanel works and how to intregrate it.
We are seeking help from CPanel gurus.

Could you help us ?

Sid,

I am compelled to reply...

It's amazing today, how business relationships are changing, and I want to congratulate PFork for your understanding of what a true customer driven business is about.

Ten years ago, someone who developed a great product such as this would have, perhaps, written a letter or called possible distribution partners. Five years ago they would have sent an email. But, the fact that you posted an open letter within this forum shows how much we've changed to realize that ALL parties must benefit in a business relationship.

I began using rvskin about a year ago after trying almost everyone else (yeah, I know I should have probably done it the other way around). To me, there is no question that Pairote is the most responsive, innovative and adaptive CPanel integrator that there is.

My servers are at EV1, which chose Plesk as their preferred control panel last year, and honestly, as a small hosting provider I am attracted to the benefits of what Plesk has to offer... especially an integrated site builder (not to mention integrated billing and a functional help solution). I've stayed with CPanel because that's what I know and am comfortable with. So far, I've only offered hosting to my clients (I'm a small business technology consultant), but I'd like to expand the business. However, I won't do that until I have a reasonably strong infrastructure that can maintain the growth.

I've looked at a lot of site building interfaces and I think DragandDrop is among the best I've seen. I think the technology is right, and your responsiveness to resource concerns is encouraging. So, I hope that Pairote responds favorably.

Then... all I need him to do is find a partner that has a good, usable help system for CPanel (I can't believe that CPanel hasn't updated their own help system since version 7)!

Jeff

Well I will put my 2? worth in here.

PFork was banned from WHT for spamming WHT members about his product. He spammed many WHTers both on-board and directly through e-mail.

I don't do business with spammers and I would suggest that pairote would be wise to not consort with them either. It doesn't look good.

Bailey

I know not of the specific situation you're referring to... but here's my opinion:

He may have sent unsolicited emails... but c'mon, it looks like a great product and he was sending those emails to a targeted audience. Spammers are generally sending out millions of emails to people who don't want them, or flooding newsgroups with unwanted messages.

Per Webopedia

To blindly write the guy off (and I have no idea who he is) may be doing a disservice to those who want his product... the correct thing is for him to read what you've posted, and learn from it...

Better yet, email him directly (even though your email would be unsolicited):


Registrant:
SQLFusion LLC
15901 Hawthorne Blvd
suite 490
Lawndale, CA 90260
US
310 370 3365


Domain Name: DRAGDROPSITECREATOR.COM

Administrative Contact:
Lewicki, Philippe pub@sqlfusion.com
15901 Hawthorne Blvd
suite 490
Lawndale, CA 90260
US
310 370 3365

I'd put money on PFork being Philippe...

Jeff

UCE is UCE is UCE. I don't do it, because I have half a brain.

It's one thing to inquire about a product, but entirely another to impose it on uninterested parties who never inquired about his product to begin with.

The rules on UCE are very clear and if it was enough for him to get banned from WHT, I consider that sufficient... especially considering I was one of the many people he spammed/uce'd.

(by the way I am baileysemt123 on this board, I don't have my login saved on this computer, sorry! )

Bailey

Hello Bailey and Jeff. First of all thanks for both of your reply.

I am Michael, not Philippe.

Regarding me being banned from WHT you will see that I am still posting on the Forum today (pfoutran). I explained the reasons of what happened in this following thread; http://forum.potentproducts.com/showthread...p=8773#post8773 where I encountered the same problem as I did on WHT in short being a cornflower. I suppose you have been cornflowers yourself too some years ago and that you made mistakes back then that you wouldn't do today. I have been given the chance to explain myself. Forum is something I discovered with WHT and I learnt from my mistake.

Since writing this posting I refered to earlier, Rob from Potent Product and me talked in length over the phone and you can ask him his opinion about me and my sense of ethics that you put in doubt. I would be glad if you talk to him directly instead of doubting me the way you did. You can ask Monte from Techark, who is also a Mod of WHT and that I had on the phone yesterday to tell you more about me in person. Same thing, I will be very happy if you contact him and ask about me.

For our product Drag drop site creator, yes I think it is an excellent product with a lot of features that most people are not even aware of as its strong database capabilities for example. Most think of putting it in the site builder category when you have in fact a substitute to Dreamweaver in your browser that both a professional and a non-tech person can use. That's a complete and rich web authoring tool that you get within your browser and which allows you to build web applications (web sites, intranet, etc,...) in real-time (every person working on the project can contribute to it instantly and see it evolving within their browser in real-time) Our hosting clients, consulting clients and users in general like it. Even journalists like it. There is probably a reason for it.

Now I would love to get RVskin to look at us to help the install on CPanel. We know about developing our software, we don't have his skills in integrating it to existing webhosting control panels. I think it can serve both companies if we work together. Our software offers enough to bring a new breath to both the web hosting and the web design world while it grows in maturity (I hope I grow in this sense as well ) I believe that it is what matters.

Michael

Whatever happened to this?